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Can't afford it don't get it?
| Here is a crazy idea.. how about you don't buy it if you can't afford it? Who'da thought something might come out that not everyone will be able to afford. Why all of a sudden is everyone "mad" about something they can't afford.. move on get something else you can afford. You don't "need" an iphone.
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JP you're an idiot. First of all if you check the cost of wireless service in Europe or hell even in the USA its more than 50% less expensive... The point is instead of trying to level our costs with those of everyone else in the world Rogers continues to drive up the price. Its not that I can't afford the Iphone since i currently have a BB Curve, LG Shine, and Sony W580i on my account. The point is if you take the most expensive plan available it doesn't include enough voice minutes but it's still 110 per month + 6.95 system access fee + .50 911 fee + $7 call display plus tax is 140 per month plus overrage minutes at .30 per minute. On a 3 year contract the larger iphone is $299 you work out those numbers and tell me why even if you could afford it you'd want to buy the iphone? It works out to over $5000 over the 3 years..... Make sense to you?
Heres the math einstein:
$110 Monthly service fee
$6.95 system access fee
$.50 911 fee
$7 Call Display
Before taxes:$124.45 x 13% = $140.63 before overrages +$299 +tax for the phone = $337.87 + $140.63 = $478.50 first bill alone
$140.63 x 36 month contract is: $ 5062.68 excluding the $337.87 for the iphone itself. |
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JP you're an idiot. First of all if you check the cost of wireless service in Europe or hell even in the USA its more than 50% less expensive... The point is instead of trying to level our costs with those of everyone else in the world Rogers continues to drive up the price. Its not that I can't afford the Iphone since i currently have a BB Curve, LG Shine, and Sony W580i on my account. The point is if you take the most expensive plan available it doesn't include enough voice minutes but it's still 110 per month + 6.95 system access fee + .50 911 fee + $7 call display plus tax is 140 per month plus overrage minutes at .30 per minute. On a 3 year contract the larger iphone is $299 you work out those numbers and tell me why even if you could afford it you'd want to buy the iphone? It works out to over $5000 over the 3 years..... Make sense to you?
Heres the math einstein:
$110 Monthly service fee
$6.95 system access fee
$.50 911 fee
$7 Call Display
Before taxes:$124.45 x 13% = $140.63 before overrages +$299 +tax for the phone = $337.87 + $140.63 = $478.50 first bill alone
$140.63 x 36 month contract is: $ 5062.68 excluding the $337.87 for the iphone itself. |
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The question is not about the price of the iPhone, we buy $3000 computers and even pricier laptops so why not $600 phones. The real problem is the exorbitant rates for wireless services in Canada and the length of the contracts. The third world mentality at Rogers is an example of how to slow down the development of a whole section of a country's economy (IT economy in this case). Rogers contributes to make mobile access to the internet unavailable to Canadians in general and by doing so they reduce the pace at which Canadian companies can provide new mobile services, and subsequently it reduces the quality and competences of the Canadian IT industry.Also the effect is double as they also encourage higher prices at their competitors and by buying the only GSM competitor they basically killed the development of the Canadian Wireless market.
Like in 3rd world countries, in Canada you still pay for incoming calls, you still have to pay monthly fees for basic functions like caller ID, voicemail, and you have to pay when you call your voicemail. (By pay I mean use your minutes). And the amount of minutes you get is alarmingly ridiculous when you look at the price you pay. Even worst you pay roaming fees as soon as you leave the city where you live! And what about the network access fees and 911 fees? All of this is included in the price of any wireless package in any developed country (with the exception of the US?) Also wireless access to the internet is an illusion in Canada... If your so called data plan gives you access to your providers mailbox and to WAP (or if you are lucky to HTTP) it's not the internet... it's just Bell or Rogers services, not the internet. The internet is not limited to email and web pages... it wasn't in the previous century, so why would the canadians even have to pay for such a primitive access?And when the "Internet access" is more expensive than in Rwanda you can stop asking questions and start beating your MP for real legislations.
Rogers displays profits on a multi billion scale with huge increases this year.They have easy money by providing a third world service to customers who don't know better.As there has never been any attention drawn on the subject the government decided to ignore the problem and to let the competition do its work... in the meantime there proves to be no competition at all on the GSM market since the government let Rogers eat Fido.
There's always the old CDMA band of brothers, but they are irrelevant to anyone who tends to travel a bit. And somehow they have the most attractive rates even if these rate are higher or even incomparable to European ones (remember the incoming calls, the roaming fees outside of your city, and the paying voicemail calls). And even worst, when European rates are compared with North american ones, the European price with taxes (as given by default) is more often than not compared to the prices without taxes in north America. So to get a better idea of the difference between european rates you would have to compare the price + plus access fees + unlimited incoming calls and text messages + basic functions (double call, caller id, voicemail and unlimited voicemail access) to the European price - taxes (+- 20%)
You are right on one point, no one needs an iPhone in the same way as no one needs a computer, a phone or a car. But transport, electronics and communication evolved and helped building our current society. So the world and economic opportunities evolve and maybe Canada should at least follow the pace if it can't be among the leaders.
On the other hand, if you like to get f***ed you deserve Rogers. |
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I THINK THE SAME WAY YOU DO! People who cant afford it are sitting here wasting hours on the internet.
It is just like buying a high end lexus car, maybe a bunch of internet loosers should get a site going to help make lexus lower the price of cars because they are cheaper in the us. |
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I think the main issue here is the price for the kind of service you get... My Telecoms service provider monthly bill for internet, telephone and digital tv services is cheaper than Rogers' cell phone packages... so you get less services and run them on a device with more limitations than a PC... ok you get portability but is it really worth the price tag? |
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Again you wrote all that, all it says to me is blah blah blah i can't afford it. Yes its expensive.. it is what it is. You don't want to spend that much don't get it. My point is simple. Idiot. | | Poor Taste?
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Btw that last post was for the person that called me an idiot.. not for the others. coughmarkcough. | | Poor Taste?
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@JDog
The point is not in the apparent price of the device. The problem is rooted much deeper. Comparing the Rogers issue to the price of a car shows a profound misunderstanding of the situation.
Currently in Canada you can buy a car or truck and go to work, travel and transport goods. You pay some taxes for the roads and fuel. The Canadian economy is strongly based on transported goods.
You also have access to comfortable and luxury transportation modes. You can buy a jet or a helicopter if you want fast and efficient transport, you can buy a Bentley or a McLaren and drive it on the roads. The roads are actually very acceptable in Quebec and pretty good in Canada as far as I have seen.
You can have access to the nice cars helicopters and planes, but more importantly you have roads airports and you don't pay every year 10 times the price of your car to be able to use it. And equally important you have access to the cheaper cars and utility vehicles as well as to a proper transport infrastructure and services which are critical in Canada. As in any other developed country, Canadians commute to work and transport goods which basically generates wealth.
If you want to make an analogy the phones are the cars, you have access to different models which are used for different purposes by a multitude of individuals and industries.
The mobile providers are the road providers, they actually provide the channels you need to use you phones (cars). If the channels they provide are over taxed, in a terrible state, unusable in most places then there is a problem. You cannot work properly as you cannot transport your data (goods) the economy which depends on the transport channels is slowed down the companies which use the channels becom less competitivew, the business opportunities are reduced to the minimum, there are less jobs generated in the industries which use the channels, and subsequently less jobs on the side of the providers who provide services to these industries. You end up stagnating, ans so you slowly drift to the level of third world countries which actually slowly evolve and sometimes go faster than you.
You can believe what you like, You can believe in any religion, but concerning economics you need to constantly watch what is happening on the world stage and think more.
You can believe buying an entry level luxury car like a Lexus is a privilege for the wealthier middle class, this is true (once again in Canada the prices are higher while the salaries are lower.). But you simply overlook the real issue: using the transport channels (roads, rails airports, phone, internet connections, wireless voice and data) remains critical for every developed and developing nation.
The iPhone issue is about the channels, not the device... You can pay 1k for a device, but if the majority of the population has no access to the channels and to cheaper devices the country and the economy loses. Even if the access is given to improper channels which are too small, too limited, under developed you end up with frustrated users and a damaged economy.
The issue is about regulating the Wireless mearket and economy so you can provide the tools necessary to the development of your country. On the other hand you can compare your country to what is worst in the world and you can still live with the feeling that you are still in a better position than others...
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Personnaly, I am wondering if I can just buy the phone without having to subscribe to their internet data plan... I have a cell phone and an older generation ipod with ton of dock connector accessories that I can use in my home or in my car. I want to replace both devices with just one. So in my case, I don't want to be obliged to blow 3500$ and be stuck with a contract juste to be able to use an iphone with the internet browsing feature enabled.... who wants to browse the web on such a tiny screen anyways? | | Poor Taste?
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Look kid, I drive a Porsche and live in a 8000sq foot house. Trust me I can afford an iPhone. The thing is though Rogers is taking advantage of their customers. Even with the money I make I still can decide what is a good deal and what is not. Just because you have lots of money does not mean you have to waste it.
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